The following is a fact-check from the June 20, 2010 episode of Meet the Press:
GOV. HALEY BARBOUR (R-MS) VS. REP. ED MARKEY (D-MA) | Obama energy plan quote & cap and trade costs
1) GOV. BARBOUR | Rep. Markey’s cap and trade bill would drive up energy costs – TRUE
2) GOV. BARBOUR | President Obama told a San Francisco newspaper that under his cap and trade plan, electricity plans [rates] would necessarily skyrocket. – TRUE
3) REP. MARKEY | The Obama quote Gov. Barbour mentioned was from three years ago – FALSE (2+ years)
4) REP. MARKEY | The Obama Cap and Trade plan is not the same as the bill the House passed last year – TRUE
GOV. BARBOUR: Now, there are people like Congressman Markey whose bill in Congress, the–that mostly effects electricity, would drive up, up energy costs. As President Obama said, under–he told a San Francisco paper, and I quote, “Under my cap and trade plan, electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket.” One of the things President Obama and I agree on.
While there is still mostly partisan-delineated debate regarding the actual cost to American households of the cap and trade bill passed by the House last year, the non-partisan CBO estimated that yes, the cost of electricity would rise under the plan. Thus, we determine Gov. Barbour’s statement to be TRUE.
Thanks to a similar fact-check by PolitiFact, it is clear that Gov. Barbour’s statement is TRUE. Obama made the statement during a January 2008 meeting (video) with the editorial board of the San Francisco Chronicle.
Gov. Barbour’s statements are somewhat misleading, however, since he is attempting to link then Senator Obama’s quote regarding his plan at the time to the plan that the House passed last year, something Rep. Markey then responded to:
REP. MARKEY: The governor is wrong. And the governor is using something that then Senator Obama said three years ago, not the Waxman-Markey Bill along with senator–along with Speaker Pelosi that we passed through the House last year. What we do is we create a, a program of market-based incentives so that we move towards wind and solar, towards geothermal, towards biomass, towards plug-in hybrids, towards all-electric vehicles; efficiency, doubling the efficiency of the homes and the, and the buildings that we work in; moving in a way that captures the innovation, captures the science lead that we have on the rest of our country. And over time it will actually lead to lower electricity, lower energy bills for our country.
As mentioned above, the Obama statement referenced by Gov. Barbour was made in January 2008, which means Rep. Markey is incorrect that it was three years ago. It was instead two years and five months ago. Because we are doing our best to look at statements in a technical sense, Rep. Markey’s would thus be FALSE.
Also, in their fact-check from June of 2009, PolitiFact neatly summed up how the debate and plan had changed since Obama made his statement:
It is worth noting that the climate debate has changed substantially since Obama sat down with the Chronicle nearly a year and a half ago. Legislators have opted to give 85 percent of the polluting permits away for free instead of putting them up for sale, as Obama pledged to do on the campaign trail. In theory, this approach should reduce costs to consumers. Furthermore, revenue from auctioned permits will help consumers pay for increased energy prices, according to Obama’s first budget.
From what we have read, we agree, making Rep. Markey’s statement that Obama’s plan in January 2008 was not the same as the House bill passed last year TRUE.
We are also looking into Rep. Markey’s claim that electricity costs will eventually go down as a result of his plan, but as of right now that research is inconclusive.
This fact-check took a combined 2 hours.
The following is a fact-check from the June, 20, 2010 episode of Meet the Press:
REP. ED MARKEY (D-MA) | There is a BP document stating that oil flow may go up as high as 100,000 barrels per day – TRUE
REP. ED MARKEY (D-MA): Right now, again, we’re dependent upon BP and the execution of their capacity to be able to put a cap over this well. I actually have a document that shows that BP actually believes it could go upwards of 100,000 barrels per day, which would be about four million barrels a day.
According to an internal BP document which was released by Rep. Ed Markey, the oil flow rate on the Deepwater Horizon rig could get as high as 100,000 barrels per day (bpd). Here is what the document says:
Note: If BOP and wellhead are removed and if we have incorrectly modeled the restrictions – the rate could be as high as – 100,000 barrels per day up the casing or 55,000 barrels per day up the annulus (low probability worst cases)
Therefore, because the document clearly states the oil flow rate could go as high as 100,000 bpd, we will rate Rep. Markey’s statement TRUE.
This fact-check took 30 minutes.